010 – From Entrepreneur to Miracle Worker with Nick Snapp

In this episode, I chat with Nick Snapp, an online entrepreneur who has transitioned back to full-time work and a higher calling of creating miracles on the streets. Nick shares some really interesting experiences, as well as how he’s handled the internal and external struggles along the way.

Overview
[00:00:58] Mission and vision
[00:02:10] The big switch
[00:07:12] The trigger
[00:09:30] Nick’s new calling
[00:12:54] A crazy story
[00:16:06] Business parallels
[00:18:04] How it works
[00:22:37] Full circle
[00:23:43] Difficult conversations
[00:32:20] Biggest lessons

Resources mentioned:

Miracles and Atheists
Nick’s Facebook
The Make it Snappy Productivity Show 

Note: Some of the resources above may be affiliate links, meaning I’d get a commission if you use that link to make a purchase (at no cost to you).

TRANSCRIPT

Welcome to LIFT, a podcast for you – the entrepreneur, the leader, the creative – who leads change with heart. If you don’t have it all together, you’re in the right place. I’m your host, Sharlene Sobrepeña.

In today’s episode, I chat with Nick Snapp, a former online entrepreneur who has found a new calling as a witness and creator of miracles. We talk about the internal struggles he faced, how he communicated with his family before the transition, and some incredible things he’s seen. My biggest takeaway is that there are some unexpected parallels between entrepreneurship and “miracle making” (for lack of a better phrase). I’ll let you discover them for yourself. Let’s get to it.

Sharlene: What’s your mission with your work and what’s your vision for the world?

Nick: My mission with my work is to be able to do the things that I want to do for my vision for the world. So, yeah, I used to look at work a lot differently and now I look at it as just a tool. It’s just a tool. It doesn’t define me. It’s just something that I need to do to be able to bring in enough income to be able to do what I really, really want to do. And the ultra-lucky – not even lucky – with the ultra, I guess just –  creative people that are able to make that work completely align with their vision and that defines them, that’s everything they want to be – that’s awesome, but it’s not me. So, work for me, my vision is just to be able to support what I want to do in life. The vision for the world is to – for me, I am a faith guy. I’m a Christian and I have a commission and it’s not really my own. So, my vision for my faith is to be able to spread the message of Jesus and the way that I feel called to lead to do that. 

Sharlene: And you weren’t always in this place. It’s quite a big switch from when I first met you. So, where are you right now and what are you doing right now in your life?

Nick: Yeah. So, taking a step back, probably I’d say it’s a year ago where I really started to feel like something’s just not aligned. I had this business and the business was doing okay. I had this online business. I poured everything I had into everything online and it was a lot of fun. I learned a ton. I met with some awesome people. I met you and it really was a good time. But it was kind of misaligned with – it was getting in the way of a lot of things in my life. It was getting in the way of my relationships and just my perspective. I just felt like I kind of got sucked into things that weren’t – they were just a little bit off. It wasn’t really meant for me at the end of the day. So, I laid it down and I said, ‘You know if this really isn’t meant for me, I need to figure out a way to kind of get over that and get over myself and walk into a place of humility.’ So, I kind of forgot what the original question was but I think it had something along the lines, to do with where am I at now. So, being an entrepreneur and having this online business and then actually, in addition to that, I have a consulting business that I was doing where I do a lot of different things from an engineering perspective. But I defined myself around this idea that, ‘Wow, I’m an entrepreneur. I left corporate three years ago and I’m making it, and life is good. People should look up to me.’ I don’t know, just this perception that I created for myself. And I realized after about three years into, that this is all about me, and it’s not. Being here in this world is not about me at all. I need to get to a place where I could actually humble myself and be accepting of the fact that maybe I need to go and look at things a little bit differently. So, I ended up finding a contract project, still on the right company and everything but it was basically like going back to work. I was embedded on site and financially, it was a really, really huge blessing. It got me to kind of take this focus off myself and onto really what’s more important. So, yeah, from that perspective, I’m working now as a contractor but I’m doing some amazing things that are more aligned with really what I envision for the world. So, I can get into those things if you’d like to. 

Sharlene: Yeah, sure. Actually, before we do, I did have a question. How hard was it for you to let go of that perception of yourself and to also let go of your business? Because you’d worked so hard, you put in so much time and resources.

Nick: It was tough. It was tough and it was a process. It was a process that probably took nearly two years. Just to kind of like, ‘Hmm I wonder if this really isn’t right for me? But no, I’m going to keep pushing forward. I’m going to keep going harder and I must keep putting more and more energy into this thing that I’m starting to have these feelings that it might not be the best thing for me and my family’ and everything like that. So, to get over that? Because I had this dream. You know how these things start? We’re fed into the hype, right? The online hype is, whenever I look at it – the location independence, break away from the man. You work from your laptop, anywhere you want to, do anything that you really want, just have this lifestyle of not being tied down by a corporate job or a location, or all these different things. And me being a father of three and a husband, I knew it would be difficult I guess to achieve that, but I looked at the reasons for why I wanted to do all those things. They were all based on me and what I wanted. It wasn’t really based on a higher type of purpose. So, giving that up, I had this dream. I wanted to travel the world with my family and be able to do whatever I wanted to do. That was really, really difficult to come to terms with. And I look at this from the perspective – I don’t look at it like I failed at what I was doing online because I really could have made something out of whatever I was doing, but there was this massive disconnect that just was grinding at me. For me, like I said, being a man of faith, it felt it was God telling me, “Look, this isn’t the right place for you. This is where you need to be. I have bigger plans for you.” And I did humble myself and really followed what I felt was the right thing to do. It was extremely difficult because I’m very strong-willed, very stubborn. But I gave in and as soon as I gave in, really, really cool things started happening. 

Sharlene: So, before we get into the cool things because I know you have a lot of cool things to talk about and to share, how did you realize that what you were doing with your business wasn’t aligned? Was there some sort of internal trigger? 

Nick: Yeah. The trigger, I guess, was I kept shifting the business concept, the model to try to meet what I thought that people wanted versus what I originally kind of envisioned when I set out to do it. I started finding things that I thought were maybe easier and popular. At the very end, I got into course creation. I had done courses and I had mild success with them and I was like, ‘Okay, I’ll be able to really focus on this course creation thing.’ I had a unique spin on it with accountability and productivity, and stuff like that. But at the end of the day, I thought about, ‘Okay, now I’ve just created this world out of my own doing, of something I don’t care all that much about to be perfectly honest with you. I don’t really care all that much about helping people with their courses.’ It was like a lot of friction. I kind of convinced myself, ‘I know this is where I need to be, possibly to open up something that I really want to do long term or just be a stepping stone of something else. And it’s kind of like this – I remember back when I was doing coaching, I used to do productivity coaching, I had these conversations with people about, okay they have these ideas for the types of business they wanted. They’d start this little business as a stepping stone to get them something they really wanted to do. I was like, ‘Why won’t you just do the things you really want to do? And I kind of saw myself, a reflection of my own conversations in the past, and I’m like, ‘What am I doing here?’ I had put so much time and effort to it and on top of that, letting partners down that I’ve been working with and partnering with their businesses, kind of contributing to each other, letting them down. So, it was a scary thing. I just saw this misalignment that eventually I couldn’t get away from. I finally gave in and did what was right, and laid it down. 

Sharlene: So, what are you doing now? What is your calling now? And actually, how did you recognize it?

Nick: I can go into the whole long story or I can go into probably the short version. So, my calling started probably a couple of years ago, but I really started taking action along those lines in late-2017 where I started finding out that there’s miracles for today, miraculous healings and that sort of thing. I started seeing these things on documentaries or Netflix and started to get the wheels turning about what is this thing about miracles? I’ve been a Christian my entire life and I’m seeing people that are doing these things. I’m like, ‘What am I missing? How come I haven’t learned about this sort of stuff?’ So, I started to try and just kind of get the wheels turning on this whole thing about miracles. I was like, ‘Let me find people that have had this experience and let me throw them in front of an atheist and have them ask them tough questions, and see how that works out, in a respectful way. It was a really unique experience and it was about seven or eight months where – maybe it wasn’t quite that long, maybe more like six months – where somebody had experienced a miraculous thing in their life. One guy had experienced somebody’s nose growing back. He was on a mission in Honduras and he and his mission companions prayed for this guy and he apparently had no nose. And a couple of days later, he came back and he had a nose. That’s kind of a cool story. He had that story and then I had an atheist asking questions about those stories. It was a really interesting dynamic and you’d think it’d be really heated and stuff, but it wasn’t. It was respectful and I think that I found out I have this gift of disarming high-tension situations, I guess. That was a really good way to kind of do that. So, I did that for about six months, the “Miracles and Atheists” thing. And towards the end of it, I felt like it started becoming again more about me instead of getting a message out that’s positive. It’s like, ‘Okay, Nick’s putting this together and he’s getting a lot of views.’ I kind of got sucked back into that world and caring about that, versus why I started this whole thing because I never tried to monetize it. I did it because was a passion. And then I also felt like, ‘Okay now I need to go out and really start doing something, try to really understand, if miracles are real, then why don’t I go out and try to see if they are actually real.’ So, alright, ‘Okay, let’s get this thing going.’ I started this thing on Friday nights where myself and another guy would go out to the 7-11, wait there, and start asking people that were limping around, ‘Hey, you got this pain, can I pray for that pain there,  so I can see what happens?’ So, we started doing that. And after – we started seeing results actually pretty quick, but now having done this thing on the streets – every other Friday night for now, I think we’ve been doing this since July of 2018 – we’ve seen a lot of things that I can’t explain other than the supernatural, which is what I was after. So, I have stories upon stories, upon stories now and I never really used to have any cool stories other than what I was doing online with my business, how I left corporate. Now I have all these cool things to talk about. 

Sharlene: What’s the craziest story you can share with us?

Nick: The craziest story happened about six weeks ago. We were at the Walmart parking lot and now – by the way, I started this thing with one other guy. Now there’s 14 of us that go out, which is pretty amazing in itself. And we were at the Walmart lobby and we’re kind of just hanging out. And this lady is like, “Hey, are you having a meeting?” We were like, “Yeah, we kind of are. We’re here in the Walmart lobby just praying for people.” She’s like, “Really? Oh I got this pain here and this thing. So, she’s really excited. So, we prayed for her and she started feeling better. She’s like, “Can you go see my mom? She’s out in the car. She can’t walk. She’s got a bad knee.” We were like, “Yeah, we’ll go talk to your mom. It’s crazy. You’ve got ten guys, I think it was ten guys or something at the time following this lady and her mom in the car. It’s a little different. People don’t do this sort of thing. But she was there and the lady got to her mom. She’s like, “Mom!”, screaming at her, right in her face. “These people want to pray for you!” Her mom was like, “What?” It was just this crazy thing. So, anyway, after a little bit of time, we learned that she was deaf in one ear, completely obviously hard of hearing in the other ear. So, we came there to pray for her bad knee and we ended up, long story short, it only took a couple different times but we prayed for this woman’s ear and the deaf ear opened up in the Walmart parking lot. And she could hear. So, then as the conversation progressed in the parking lot, we were standing six feet, seven feet away and just talking normal like you and I are talking now, and she’s hearing us and she’s answering. It was awesome. So, that’s probably the most tangible thing I could give you at this juncture. 

Sharlene: That’s insane. What were their reactions like, especially that woman when she got her hearing back?

Nick: Yeah, usually like a lot of tears, a lot of tears not only them, but myself. It’s just this amazing experience, when you realize that you’re doing something that’s greater than you. It’s almost, in some ways it’s indescribable. I have all kinds of reactions across the board, to be honest with you. In that instance, it was pretty powerful. Other instances, somebody’s walking around, limping or whatever and you ask them if you could pray for them. Most people give you attitude. They’re like, “What do you mean?” Most people expect that you’re trying to just have some sort of alternative agenda. But no, we do a lot of cool things. Sometimes we just meet needs. Some people just don’t have stuff, so we’ll just come and chip in, fill their grocery cart up with groceries or anything that they need. We’re here just to meet needs and try to be a light in a world where this doesn’t really happen too much, in a world where people are just out for themselves, what they can accomplish. It’s actually pretty refreshing to go out there. I look at this now as the most important thing I could ever do. The only second thing and that would be a husband and a father, really. So, it’s changed my life because I took a position of humility and took the focus off myself. 

Sharlene: I’d imagine it’d be a little bit difficult in some cases. Do you think that being an entrepreneur helped you?

Nick: Yeah, sales. It’s kind of like a sales thing, a little bit, just the way that you approach people and talk. I remember when I was doing idea validation, I was really into idea validation. I had a program and stuff, I was helping people. Okay, you have this idea. I go out and talk to people and see what they think. One of the things that you would do is talk to strangers about your business idea, which is super terrifying. Well, not even remotely as close as terrifying as talking to people about your faith in Jesus because people – they’re already on their guard. They’re already annoyed at all the corruption stuff that’s happened in the church. You have the cards stacked against you when you’re going out and doing that sort of thing. As an entrepreneur, you have a unique way of putting things together and approaching things that the average person doesn’t. I’m kind of leading this group. I have an opportunity to be a lot more bold than I think a lot of people who just kind of sit behind a desk all the time are because I’m not a risk-averse person. Leaving corporate and putting everything on the line, that helped contribute to that, right? So, I think that risk-taking, for me, faith is all about risk-taking and entrepreneurship is the same way. It’s not an easy road and you’ve got to take risks to really take it to the level it needs to be in. I think faith, if you’re not all in as an entrepreneur, you’re not willing to lay everything down for that and push and believe that what you’re doing matters and go after it and achieve it – it’s the same thing with faith. If you don’t believe you’re going to put your hand on somebody’s knee or somebody’s back and they’re going to get healed, then it won’t happen. The battle is between your ears and it’s the same way with business. 

Sharlene: Yeah. So, how does that work? Do you just pray for them? What gave you the idea to just pray? 

Nick: Yeah. Like I said, I started digging in and researching. The idea comes from the Bible. It’s basically, the message has been really, really watered down over the years from the church. It’s like a feel-good, self-help kind of mentality now at church. I’m going to worry about my marriage, my relationships, my finances, just the different things that people talk about; which is good. It’s good to worry about that sort of stuff and get a handle on that stuff because if you’re angry, you have a bad marriage and all that kind of stuff, it’s hard to really take the focus off that and do other stuff. But yeah, at the end of the day, it’s a matter of how did Jesus do it and let’s do that. What Jesus did, he basically put his hands on people and he commanded things to be healed and they got healed. It all kind of happens, okay you can do that but you’ve really got to learn how to trust that process versus just hoping. Like the prayers, “I’m going to pray for you” – somebody’s in the hospital – “I’ll pray for your mom.” But there’s nothing behind that. It’s just like, “Oh, I’m going to do that.” ‘Oh, that’s nice, thanks.’ “Maybe God will fix them. Maybe He won’t.” But no, we get aggressive with it and we attack the things. It’s a completely different way to look at it. And once I learned that that’s actually – that people were doing it, I’m like, ‘Well, if I believe in this, then I might as well go all the way and try this. Why not? If God’s going to heal somebody through me and this is what I need to do, then why not take a risk and do it?’ It’s kind of how I look at it, and over time, I started caring less and less about what people thought about me and just like, ‘Let’s just do what’s right.’ Yeah, that’s it. And with an entrepreneur too, you’ve got to stop caring about what people think about you. Your friends aren’t going to get it. Especially if you’re a corporate person, you’re looking to leave and you have these great ideas. I know what it’s like. I remember that. I had these conversations all the time with people. I tell them what I want to do and they look at me like I had two heads. “What are you talking about? You want to give up this, what you have here? You’re making six figures and you have a beautiful family. You’re doing it. You’re moving your way up the ladder.” But there was something. “I don’t like it. I don’t want to be in this environment.” I remember trying to get out and people didn’t get it because they were so risk-averse and I think there’s a special spirit around entrepreneurship, and around people that have real, bonafide faith. It’s just different. You don’t just follow the herd. You take risks and you do what you really think is right. 

Sharlene: What was it like the very first time you put your hands on somebody? Did it work?

Nick: The very first time I did, it was my father-in-law. I just felt this, you’ve got to do it. It wouldn’t stop. I don’t want to do it. I’m scared. And it was my father-in-law. I know this guy. I’ve known him for 15 years or whatever. But I’ve never even really talked about my faith with him. I’ve never done anything like this, but he had bad knees. He’s had bad knees forever and I remember just, it wouldn’t go away. He came over and I was on my computer working, the online thing. And he’s in the other room with my kids and stuff and I’m working. I went out to him and I was just like, “This is going to sound kind of weird but can I just – your knees, they’re still bothering you, right?” He’s like, “Yeah.” “Can I just pray for your knees?” And so, I prayed for his knees and I was like, “How do they feel? Check them.” He’s like, “Huh? They feel a little better.” I’m like, “Are you serious? Really, they feel a little bit better?” He’s like, “Yeah.” I’m like, “Well, let’s keep going then, if you feel better.” I got pumped up. So, I kept doing it and by the end of it, he was kind of jogging around and stuff. It was actually pretty cool. Yeah, actually the first time I did it, that tugging, I knew it was the right thing. I’ve got results now. It’s not always like that, for sure. I guess at some point, it’s a level of obedience to just doing what you’re called to do. And sometimes, you put your hands on people and it doesn’t happen. So, does that mean you stop? For me, no. It means to just keep on grinding away because you get into a position where it’s just kind of fun. It’s really fun, especially when you see amazing things happen. Yeah. 

Sharlene: I can see the parallels with entrepreneurship. 

Nick: Yeah. The iterations, for sure. The cool thing is I have received a vision about how I could apply this to more of a business type thing. If you were to have me on again as this thing kind of progresses, I’ll tell you more about it, but I definitely have a vision for how this is all kind of coming together full circle with entrepreneurship and faith. But yeah, it’s been a really interesting time. It’s been the most interesting time in my life. I just feel like it is completely counter to everything that society tells you as far as how to operate. Now, I feel like I’m kind of along for the ride now, which is completely different than the control that everybody else wants to tell you that you need to have in life. I have peace. I’m content. I know I’m being taken care of. I’m seeing cool stuff along the way. It’s like, ‘Okay, I’m done being a control freak. I’m good. Let’s just go with the flow now.’ And really cool things are happening because I really do feel like this is what I’m made to do. 

Sharlene: That’s a huge change. How did it affect your relationship with your wife and how did your wife take this change initially?

Nick: Yeah. It was tough. From a “Nick’s all in for Jesus type thing” was a little bit tough. Just being lukewarm, in my entire walk I’ve been a Christian forever but I’ve just been lukewarm, not doing anything about it. And my wife has been kind of the same way, but maybe even a little bit further lukewarm. I guess that’s one way to put it. So, that was a little bit of an adjustment. “Okay, this is all you’re talking about, Nick? There’s nothing else? Are you out of touch now with society? Are you watching the news anymore?” That kind of stuff. We had to work through that and I had to kind of just learn temperance. Okay, there are other things around that you kind of need to be aware of and have other interests in, that sort of thing. But, from a relationship perspective, it saved my marriage for sure. I took the focus again off of myself and the things that I wanted and I was able to really – it’s about being a servant. The first ministry, I believe, is in your home. So, I learned to be a servant to my wife. I stopped worrying so much about her not letting me do this and this with the business, which really what we kind of got in arguments about, like having to sacrifice things that come up in life because of what I was doing with the business. Now, it’s like, “No, I’m here. I’m focusing on you. I mean it.” And over a period of time, it really helped me build a lot of things that were broken down. 

Sharlene: So, it took a lot of action on your part. 

Nick: Absolutely. Yeah. The only thing that we can change is ourselves when it comes to relationships. So many people want to change the other person, but it’s spitting in the wind. You can only focus on yourself, and that’s it. And no matter what they’re doing, the only thing you focus on is the self and the way you respond, the way you treat them. So, that’s what I did. And over time, it really does work. 

Sharlene: So, you’ve, by now had a lot of difficult conversations with people. You also mentioned that breaking down the high-tension situations is a gift of yours. Do you have any practical tips for us on how to manage those conversations?

Nick: Listen, for sure. Listen and reiterate. Because all I found is people flail around and they’ll just pontificate and just say all these sometimes harsh, mean things or whatever. But I really try to get to the heart of what’s going on behind that because there’s always something behind that. And if you’re willing to spend a few minutes to listen – not to listen, but a few minutes to dive in – maybe I can give a more tangible example. I think people just want you to hear their perspective. Most people. So, if they have a really high-tension angry response to something you said as a believer. Like for “Miracles and Atheists”, I’ll give you, as a believer, if one of the believers said something that just really hit a chord with the non-believer or the atheist, then it’s like, ‘Okay, that struck a chord. There’s something going on there. Let me investigate that a little bit more.’ And as a facilitator for that particular show that I was doing, I was able to do that in a beautiful way because it’s my show. I can cut the tension and I can be that sort of mediator person to help each of the sides see that viewpoint in a way that maybe they wouldn’t have, had I not been there because it’s almost like being a filter almost, even though they can hear each other. But you develop as an interviewer – and you’ll learn this obviously as you get more and more into your interviewing and stuff. I know you have a bunch of experience but as you grow in your podcast, you’ll learn to hear certain keywords and the ones to really key into, that will reveal more than what they’re telling you on the surface level. I like having deep relationships. When it comes to superficial relationships, I’ve actually shed a lot of friends that were more like acquaintances that only cared about the superficial stuff because it doesn’t do it for me. If somebody says something in passing and I can tell that behind that there’s something more, I have a way of digging into that thing without maybe them even knowing that I’m digging in. I don’t know if that makes much sense, but I’m sure if you watch “Miracles and Atheists”, maybe you’ll get an idea of what I’m talking about. 

Sharlene: Do you ask questions? I guess I’m wondering if you have an example of a tense situation that you were able to diffuse. 

Nick: Yeah, sure, for sure. When you’re out on the street, you get a lot of attitude about I don’t know, anything. So, people all of a sudden, they understand you follow Jesus. Then they go into this mode of just trying to prove why the Bible’s ridiculous and foolish, and why this, this and this. They’ll go, okay where did the Word of God come from, and all these kinds of questions. When they’re saying and asking these sorts of questions, I try to get to the heart of the issue, which isn’t necessarily intellectual argument. It’s usually something that happened. For example, I remember on the street with this woman who was just broken. She had been raped as a kid and I think she’s had a really bad experience with the church with hypocrites and judgmental people, all these kinds of stuff. And little pieces of that will kind of come out slowly under the heated stuff, even in just moments of time, even if it’s just a really short period of time. That stuff comes out. I remember one time when I was talking and she was getting into, “Where did God come from?” I remember saying, “Before I answer that question, can you just give me an understanding as to how does it feel to not believe in something right now? Can you just tell me a little bit more about that and why that’s where you’re at in your particular position?” And it completely reversed, I don’t even know if I said it like that, Sharlene. I just said something along those lines. “Let me just get more of an understanding of where you’re at and why that’s working for you. Honestly, I want to know. Why is not believing in something work for you?” And I haven’t really – at least with that particular example, it wasn’t. And that peels back layers and all of a sudden, she was broken and she was crying. It was just like, that sort of stuff happens all the time. Probably not the best example I could’ve given you, but that’s the one that came to mind. 

Sharlene: I guess what struck me about what you just said was a sincere curiosity about the person. 

Nick: Absolutely, yeah. And if it’s not genuine, people see right through that. There’s evangelists out there – they call themselves evangelists – they go out there and start preaching the Word. “Do you know what it means to be a sinner and do you know what the wages of sin are and that you need a savior?” – they just go by the script. Go with the script. And for me, it’s like, yeah that stuff is important at some point but when you’re meeting people on the street, you just meet them where they’re at and figure out where their needs are at. Are they hurting? Are they broke? Are they sick? What is it? And for me, I believe now that I know what it means to be a real, true believer, I know what it means, so I have the ability in the group to address those things. So, why not do that in love? If there are more people that represented the church who did it in love, we wouldn’t have so many people hating the church. Yeah. I’ll get off my soapbox. 

Sharlene: Once again, I see that parallel to entrepreneurship, but listening to your audience and all that sort of thing. 

Nick: Yeah, and do it genuinely, right, like in love. With everything, in business, especially with some of the products and things that you’re trying to sell people. If you’re listening to really what they’re looking for, what they’re missing in life and you really can help them, then you can do that in a loving sort of way versus just pushing your script and manipulating them. I think in sales there’s a lot of manipulation that gives sales people a bad rep and it doesn’t necessarily need to be like that. 

Sharlene: So, I have one more question. What are the biggest lessons that you’ve learned in this transition?

Nick: It’s good to be confident. It’s good to go after goals. Hopefully you didn’t take the things I’m saying as it’s wrong to go after goals. It’s totally awesome to go after goals. I would say if you have a goal though, look at the root and intentions behind that goal. And be real with yourself. Be honest with yourself because if you can’t be honest with yourself, you’re never going to be able to be honest with anybody. And if your goal is rooted in self-centered, self-glorifying type stuff, it will be fun for a while. I get it. It will be fun for a while, but that’s going to be fleeting. So, I just recommend for everybody, if you have some sort of goal that you’re going after, really be honest with yourself and make sure it’s rooted in a higher purpose, something that’s bigger than just you, something that’s going to help somebody else. And that’s what’s really sustainable. Because you can go after that fleeting type stuff and you will achieve it and you’ll probably get success and you’ll have fun for a little bit of time, but then you’ll be in the same position. You’re like, “Okay, what am I doing with my life?” So, you might as well go after the stuff that really matters initially and you’ll set yourself up for a blessing versus just an emptiness. 

Sharlene: I love it. Thank you. 

Nick: Awesome. 

Sharlene: So, where can people find you online or how can they connect with you?

Nick: I mean if they want to go and check out some of the “Miracles and Atheists” archives, that’ll be awesome. I do have a plan to kick that back off at some point in the not too distant future. But it’s just miraclesandatheists.com. That’s where they can find that stuff and then if anyone wants to connect with me on Facebook, then Nick Snapp, not too hard to find. If you go Google me, you’ll see “The Make it Snappy Productivity Show” and all the stuff that I’ve done. So, you can find my contact information out there. But yeah, I really was in-depth into the online world and I still love the online world. I love the people that I met and the relationships, but yeah, just on a different track now. 

Sharlene: Yeah. I’m really eager to see where this all goes. So, good luck, Nick. 

Nick: Thanks. 

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